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0:00 Lithium Prices Will Continue to Fall
0:54 Hybrid Owners More Satisfied Than ICE & EV Owners
1:52 Mazda Has U.S. Incentive Problem
2:54 U.S. Vehicle Incentives Climbing
3:41 China Ready to Retaliate Against EU Tariffs
4:53 Rivian Gets OK for Plant Expansion
5:40 VW I.D. BUZZ Starts at $61,500
6:37 Volvo XC90 Getting Substantial Refresh
6:56 GMC Adds AT4 Trim to Yukon for 1st Time
7:57 Sierra EV Starts Hitting Customer Hands
8:25 FAW-VW Sign Deal for Humanoid Robots
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LITHIUM PRICES WILL CONTINUE TO FALL
One of the biggest impacts of the slowdown in EV demand has been to the prices of lithium, a key ingredient in batteries. It’s down roughly 70% in the last year, resulting in the very optimistic prediction from Goldman Sachs that EVs and ICEs could reach cost parity as early as next year. And SQM, the second-largest producer of lithium in the world, thinks prices will continue to fall for the rest of the year, possibly as much as 20% from current levels. The company just reported its quarterly results and while it posted record-high quarterly sales volumes of the metal, it also reported a 63% drop in revenue due to its drop in value.
HYBRID OWNERS MORE SATISFIED THAN ICE & EV OWNERS
One reason SQM might have posted record-high volumes of lithium is sales of other electrified vehicles that still need batteries are growing, especially extended range electrics and hybrids. And now that more drivers are getting behind the wheel of hybrids, they really seem to like them. According to the American Customer Satisfaction Index Automobile Study, which randomly emailed a little over 12,000 owners, hybrid vehicles had the highest satisfaction of any powertrain type. It says hybrids scored higher because owners can easily get gas when needed and that EVs scored the lowest due to dependability concerns, potentially expensive repairs and higher insurance. The study also looked at satisfaction by brand and Mercedes and Tesla tied at the top of the luxury list, and Toyota and Subaru tied for top mass-market brands.
MAZDA HAS U.S. INCENTIVE PROBLEM
Mazda’s sales are tearing it up in the U.S. According to Automotive News, they were up 30% in July, the third consecutive month sales were up, they are up 13% so far this year, outpacing the overall market, and sales are on pace for 450,000 units, which would be a record for Mazda in the U.S. However, that growth is riding on the back of significant increases in vehicle incentives. In the second quarter of this year, Mazda offered an average incentive of nearly $2,800 per vehicle. While that’s less than the industry average, it’s up 110% from last year and almost 4-times the amount from 2 years ago. Mazda thinks new models and falling interest rates will reduce its need for incentives. But it finds itself in a similar position as Nissan was a few years ago and Nissan’s profits were just hammered in the U.S.
U.S. VEHICLE INCENTIVES CLIMBING
But it’s not just Mazda relying on incentives. According to Kelley Blue Book, incentives in the U.S. were just under $3,400 on average in July, up 6% from June. That number equates to about 7% of the average transaction price for a new vehicle, which reached $48,400 last month. Last year, incentives were 4.4% of the average transaction price. And for EVs it was even higher, with incentives accounting for 12% of the average transaction price in July. The average price for a new EV was $56,520, slightly higher than June but 1.5% below a year ago.
CHINA READY TO RETALIATE AGAINST EU TARIFFS
Tensions are rising between Europe and China over the EU’s tariffs on Chinese made EVs. Even though the EU issued an updated draft yesterday that lowered tariffs for automakers, it still said it believed Chinese EVs benefited from subsidies. So in retaliation, China opened an anti-subsidy investigation into dairy products imported from the EU. The China Association of Automobile Manufacturers also issued a statement opposing the tariffs and said it could have a “serious adverse impact” on China’s operations and investment in the EU. Another Chinese industry body said the EU’s tariffs lack objectivity and fairness and that it will defend the rights and interests of Chinese EV companies. And automaker SAIC says it may take legal action.
RIVIAN GETS OK FOR PLANT EXPANSION
Good news for Rivian. The Town Council for the city of Normal, Illinois, where its current plant is located, voted in favor of the EV startup expanding the facility. Rivian intends to add another 1.14 million sq ft building to the side of the current plant and to slightly expand the existing structure. The new building will make the R2, and will bring its total capacity to around 215,000 units a year. The R2 is a very important vehicle for Rivian. With an estimated starting price around $45,000, it’s about half its current models, and it’s expected to double the output of both those vehicles combined. The R2 is scheduled to start production in 2026.
VW I.D. BUZZ STARTS AT $61,500
Volkswagen revealed U.S. pricing and range for the ID. Buzz. The retro-inspired electric van will go on sale later this year with a starting price around $61,500. That’s for the base Pro S, which only comes in rear-wheel-drive. Those models have an EPA estimated 234 miles of range. The Pro S Plus trim, which offers more features, starts just over $65,000 for rear-drive and AWD versions start just under $70,000. AWD versions are rated at 231 miles. And the 1st Edition, which is only available at launch, starts just over $67,000 with RWD and around $71,500 with AWD. All prices include destination charges.
VOLVO XC90 GETTING SUBSTANTIAL REFRESH
Volvo is also launching a couple of new models. The all-electric EX90 SUV has started to hit customer hands and on September 4th it says it will introduce a substantially refreshed and a new iteration of the hybrid XC90. Volvo also says there could be a surprise or two.
GMC ADDS AT4 TRIM TO YUKON FOR 1ST TIME
GMC introduced a refreshed version of the Yukon. The exterior gets a slight update with unique grille patterns, liftgate badging and animated headlights and taillights. The interior features a new vertically mounted 16.8-inch infotainment screen. For the first time the Yukon will be available with GMC’s AT4 off-road trim. It adds a front skid plate, 20-inch wheels with all-terrain tires and Adaptive Air Ride Suspension that can raise the vehicle up to 2-inches. The Yukon also gets new standard advanced safety tech and driver assistance features. Three powertrains are available. A 5.3L V8 with 355 horsepower, a 6.2L V8 with 420 horsepower and a 3.0L diesel with 305 horsepower. All the engines are mated to a 10-speed automatic transmission. Fuel economy and pricing will be announced closer to the start of production later this year.
SIERRA EV STARTS HITTING CUSTOMER HANDS
And speaking of GMC, it just started delivering Sierra EV Denali pickups to customers. The limited Edition 1 models are now available, which offer a GM estimated 440 miles of range, and up to 754 horsepower and 785 lb-ft of torque. The Sierra EV Denali Edition 1 starts just under $100,000 excluding destination charges.
FAW-VW SIGN DEAL FOR HUMANOID ROBOTS
Volkswagen and its Chinese joint venture partner FAW are currently testing humanoid robots at one of their plants in China and they must have been impressed enough because they’ve signed a cooperation agreement with the company that makes them. FAW-Volkswagen and UBTECH will explore ways to integrate the robots, called Walker S, into automotive manufacturing sites. Right now they’re using it for vehicle quality inspections, but they must want to grow beyond that.
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Lambo2015 says
Satisfaction in Hybrids doesn’t surprise me. All the advantages of a gas vehicle with part of the benefits of an EV. Everyone likes the idea of batter fuel economy.
The way I see it EVs make more sense as small inner-city vehicles and probably have a lot of promise in the smaller scale items like Lawn equipment, ATVs, Jet Skies, dirt bikes, Scooters and even motorcycles. While Hydrogen seems to have the best chance within the large truck market.
As technology changes this could change but this seems to make the most sense for right now.
VW ID Buzz will be a huge flop with it being a EV and a starting price over 60K. Did VW forget that the Bug and van were vehicles for the people priced well below the competition? Had that been a decent hybrid at half the price it would have probably sold all they could make. IMO
MERKUR DRIVER says
Lets look at 2 stories from today. Lithium prices have gone down by 70% and projected to decrease a further 20%. According to Goldman sachs those reductions will make EVs achieve cost parity with ICE.
Now lets look at the second story. VW ID-BUZZ to start at $61k. To start! Meanwhile, an ICE minivan like a larger Toyota Sienna starts at $37,685. I think EVs have a very long way to go to reach price parity when looking at these 2 stories today. The stories are not matching.
Drew says
Merkur Driver – cost and price are two different things. Take VW as an example. They buy lithium, so it is cost to VW. Then they sell the ID-Buzz… which has a price from VW (a cost to the consumer).
Lower costs don’t always flow to the price. Cost is one of many factors that determine price. Perhaps the biggest factor that determines price is consumer demand.
sean says
@Merkur Driver – That’s part of the reason I called Goldman’s prediction “very optimistic.” But to be fair it’s prediction is between 2025-2026 and battery prices are the main reason, but not the only reason. More affordable EVs, like the Equinox EV and EX30, will help bring that cost parity closer together. However, I still believe it’s prediction is very optimistic and I had sticker shock when I saw the price for the I.D. BUZZ.
MERKUR DRIVER says
Sean,
VW must be banking on a nostalgia bump with that price. I seem to remember that they were planning to release the Buzz around $40k. That was a few years ago when that was announced. A real shame that their price is $61K.
Kit Gerhart says
Having had 3 hybrids, Prius, Camry, and Highlander, about the only downside I see is that they are a little noisy on hard acceleration. Also, there is a little engine vibration on acceleration. At any steady speed, having the hybrid powertrain is pretty much invisible. My favorite, driving-wise was the Camry, but I replaced it with the Highlander, wanting something other than my ancient minivan to transport my toy airplanes.
As others have said, the ID Buzz seems kind of pricey, especially given its underwhelming 231-234 mile range. They should have just used a front drive powertrain from a Jetta, or better yet, a hybrid powertrain, and sold it for ~$35-40K. Odyssey and Pacifica are now ~44K base price. Sienna and Carnival are 38-39K base price, but it’s impossible to find any Sienna, never much less a base LE.
Kit Gerhart says
Maybe people will pay $61K for the ID Buzz. People are paying over $100K for that gawdawful Cybertruck.
George Ricci says
“Lithium prices projected to decrease”. Just remember that if and when we get solid state batteries, they use more Lithium than Lithium ion batteries. So, if you demand more range than we have now your battery cost will NOT be reduced.
sean says
@Kit – At least the VW looks good. I saw one on the road about a month ago and it looked great in the wild.
Kit Gerhart says
I look forward to seeing the VW. There are no dealers nearby, so I might need to wait for someone in my area to buy one.
Sean Wagner says
Where is the VW ID Buzz built? And where does the battery come from? Those prices are prohibitive – I see them around here in Switzerland, but rarely, and while the design is quite OK, the vehicle isn’t really big (though impressively optimized for space).
I just learned that the Ford Mach-E’s battery pack is made in Poland – they do have a plan to transition that to US manufacture, including a shift to LFP chemistry.
Kit Gerhart says
ID Buzz is assembled in Hanover, Germany.
Kit Gerhart says
ID Buzz is bigger in every dimension than my first generation Caravan, so should be roomy, if well packaged. The LWB Buzz is about 10 inches shorter than today’s “minivans” in North America.
Lambo2015 says
I’m not in the market for an EV or a minivan but I like the looks of the ID buzz. Its attractive enough, if the price was a lot less and it was a hybrid I think it would have done well.
Saw today that Ford is rethinking its EV strategy and if going to pursue electrification of all its trucks. Which sounds like maybe a hybrid version of the F-series.
MERKUR DRIVER says
I went to a VW centric group last night to gauge what the target consumer group was saying about the ID-Buzz. The take away was that the interior was too stark, they don’t like the haptic feedback buttons(who does), they wanted round headlights, and the price was astronomically high. I hope it works out for VW
Kit Gerhart says
Lambo, there already is a hybrid version of F-150, and has been for a few years. Its big claim to fame when introduced, more than mpg, was its ability to replace portable generators on job sites. Still, it gets ~22% better EPA city mpg than the non-hybrid. It is has been very unreliable in CR’s reliability surveys, though.
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=47612&id=47611